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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Testy Mctest
I made a lot of mention for the bonuses to be increased to 7.5% as they need to be higher to account for the fact they only apply to a limited number of slots each - this was mentioned in one of Tux's stickies which has now disappeared. Let's hope the bonuses are 7.5% as they should be to be fair.
You must be high on ***** if you believe that.
Typhoon with 7.5% ROF bonus on launchers would do 4/.625 = 6.4 launchers worth of damage
Raven with it's 5% ROF bonus on launchers does 6/.75 = 8 launchers worth of damage
Typhoon with 7.5% ROF bonus on turrets would do 4/.625 = 6.4 turrets worth of damage
Tempest in comparison does 6*(1.25/.75) = 10 turrets worth of damage
So you would be doing *80%* of the damage of a Raven with half your high slots, and *64%* of the damage of a Tempest with the other 4 high slots. Add the monster drone bay on top of that. Your max theoretical DPS with 6 dmg mods and maxed out skills would be *1647.2* DPS.
Yeah, that's not overpowered at all... 
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ling Toriyama
how much DPS can it deal with a 5% bonus then? +6 damage mods ofc
In that case, it only manages 1425.4 DPS 
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
5% bonus's, max skills using:
800mm T2 with Hail and Seige T2 and T2 Heavy Drones gives 800 DPS
With 3 T2 Gyros and 3 T2 BCU it gives 1200 DPS.
With 7.5% and same setup as above 1300 DPS.
A Mega with Neutrons T2, 6 Mag Field T2's and T2 Heavy Drones gives 1400DPS.
I sincerely doubt you've done any calculations yourself judging by the impossibly nice round numbers you're quoting. But my figures are correct.
Base damage of 4x 800mm II w/ Hail and 5% ROF bonus = 290.9 DPS
Base damage of 4x Siege Launcher II w/ Rage and 5% ROF bonus = 374.5 DPS
Base damage of 5x Ogre II = 316.8 DPS
Total base damage = 982.2 DPS
That's with no damage mods and with plenty of grid/CPU to spare. Your numbers are way off the mark.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:11:00 -
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Theoretical Typhoon with 7.5% ROF bonus:
4x Heavy Diminishing NOS
4x Siege Launcher II
100MN AB II
Faint Warp Prohibitor
2x PWNAGE painter
LAR II
MAR II
2x EAN II
Internal Force Field Array
BCU II
RCU II
5x Ogre II + 5x Warrior II + 5x Hornet II
869 DPS. 4 Heavy NOS. Awesome armor tank. Fastest battleship. Lowest sig radius (320m). Torps only doing 10% more damage than cruise against an unpainted Phoon! It would absolutely annihiliate anything it comes across. I can understand why Minnie crew would love this. Nothing like having a one stop solution to pwning the feck out of everything!
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Why dont you post something you feel is more balanced then? By the way, what is the dps of the maxed out Raven for comparison?
I have no problems with a Typhoon that has 5% ROF bonus to both projectiles and launchers. While the damage can be quite high, I think it's mitigated somewhat by several factors. But the 7.5% ROF bonus would be just obscene which is what I'm trying to illustrate.
Raven with 6x Siege II, 5x Hammerhead II, 3x BCU II does 1094.3 DPS. It would also have no tank whatsoever if you required it to paint, much less scramble the target like the Phoon could. Not to mention the complete lack of any NOS due to lack of grid. In short, it would die horribly against a Phoon with 7.5% ROF bonus. So outmatched it hurts even thinking about it 
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
a solid tank, not awesome. What do you call the dual large armour reps with cap booster tanks if the above is awesome?
Putting the same kit on two different BS doesn't net the same effect. Speed and sig radius play a big role. Did you actually expect a Typhoon with 320m3 sig radius going 500m/s to be taking the same amount of damage as a dual LAR Apoc with no speed mods? I've flown both long enough to know that's not the case at all.
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869 DPS my arse. Two TP's doesn't give 1000 sig for any BS.
Quite right about that. But I don't fly solo, and I don't know anyone who flies around in a battleship looking (hoping) for 1vs1 encounter either. And 4 TII TP with max skills will take most BS up to about 1000m sig radius. Your numbers are wrong btw. You don't take into account signature focusing skill.
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A Dominix with T2 Dual 250mm + T2 heavy drones has the same DPS but has replacement drones, more mids for EW and such where typhoon has to use TP's.
Sure, it may have the same DPS. Does it have 4 Heavy NOS as well? No? Didn't think so.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.13 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Are you people crazy listening to this Toaster character? What kind of kit is a Typhoon going to fit with 3000 fewer MW than a Tempest?
Blah Blah Blah. Crazy ranting ftl. Gank setup lose to a well balanced setup? SHOCK! Was wondering when Captain Obvious was gonna show up
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